Blogs without comment section. Future Trend or a close reality?

Hello friends

A while ago I wrote about would social media eventually kill blogs“- worth a read for the readers comments. They are so insightful.  It’s been a while so I thought it was worth for us to return to this topic.

Will blog comments section eventually disappear altogether? It’s that a closer reality that we realise?
There are two types of comments on blogs. Compliments and feedback- personal connection to the story, tips etc. 

Compliments are good conversation starters and help to build rapport. They help to establish reciprocal liking but they don’t add real value* to the conversation. Having or not compliments aren’t measuring successful engagement. Therefore supporting the idea that the comments sections could be disable. Those conversation starters work best on Social media.

However the later it’s what we all feel the comment space it’s about. To engage and relate to others. That’s what matters. That type of engagement is surely what the comment section should be about, therefore disallowing the comment section would be a great loss of interesting content.

The comments section of a blog is where the writer back bone story is filled so would you say the value or non value of it’s content is a direct reflection of the blog writer? 

Or do you think that’s mainly due to readers change of behaviour? There is no denial about the growth from readers comments being allocated to other platforms, where their method of reading enables them to move/add to the conversation using social media. 

I noticed many long lived blogs closed their comments section. Could it be in all blog’s future as a matter of natural evolution?

I’m keen to see what happens in the future as blogs change format. I think the change in attitude toward comments are a combination of both. The way we consume and react to information and the way we write it.  Communication is changing so the fast pace- too much information available not enough time. Too much selling? – Read Karen’s post. 

Unlike many discussions where they originate from a blog post than moving to social media platform, I started this discussion last night on twitter. Very exciting discussion going on right now.
I will be keenly watching to see where this conversation will develop. Hopefully we will be able to keep a record for further discussions in the future.

* That doesn’t represent my personal opinion but an argument used in favour of those that disallowed comments section. I have presented both sides of the argument for you, my dear friends, to debate and share your thoughts. xx

  • Hello Rachel, interesting blog on the meaning of comment in blogging. I feel that people thinks it is easier to comment on social media, because social media is made to share and like and comment. For me I like social media to get a quick overview on some topics and decide then if I want to know more and go the blog. Blogging is much deeper. I think that good and interesting pictures triggle people to find the story back.
    I don’t understand social Media at all. Yesterday I started with the Advent Calender for my work (participants can win a guided walk in Bergen, Norway). 4 people replied. Today already 5 persons answered after 2 hours. Is it the picture (not really good)??
    However I like to see what happens and read about people’s experiences. Social media is a mysterious world πŸ™‚

    • Hi Lijssie, I think you touched upon a great point. Social media is perfect for a reaction: like, agree , enjoyed etc. Blogs comments offer a better platform for a bigger discussion. I also agree that people are driven by good images and thats back to the point of the way we consume information today.

  • i think it would be a shame if they did disappear. it’s easier to refer back to blog comments when you ask for advice (like i did on my recent topstitching post) then find them again on social media. and it definitely leads to more discussion in one place (see the comments on the post of karen’s that you linked to). it is easier to comment on twitter but it’s way nicer to get blog comments as it seems more thoughtful somehow?

    • Hi Jo, I agree that to loose the opportunity to comment upon a blog would be a shame . I feel that writers, like Karen, have the ability to generate great content in discussions and comes back to the way we consume and write information. As blogs and other media contents are becoming commercialised ( even if in just in the semantics – they way we write) the way we respond and react will change. Looking at bigger blogs and their evolution in different areas, its clear to see that the content is disseminated differently. With sewing, the evolution will be slower because the nature of our content but I don’t think we are immune to the natural evolution of digital age. Its all come back to the value of the comment.

    • How can there be any meaningful discussion, back and forth, about a projects – questions, answers, compliments, critiques – when you are limited to 125 characters? Blogs and their comments can be as detailed and long as you want them. I read a lot of sewing blogs and comment most of the time. If someone does the project/homework in writing the blog and throws it out there, I think they deserve a comment!

    • I completely agree, that’s why I am curious to see what happens in the future. I would hate to see comments disapear in our community.

  • I would also be super dissapointed if they disappeared. I love reading comments and the discussion that goes on within them. I would hate to have to use twitter or other social media to comment on posts. As a weekend blogger, I don’t often get comments, but treasure them when I do.

    • Hi Nicole,indeed. If people stop commenting with or without a comment section those will eventually disappear.

  • Kim

    Good point, I personally find it harder to comment on blogs than on social media, but this is also because my Bloglovin app won’t let me comment easily.. I do prefer comments on blogs when they add something to the discussion, for instance, what are you making, new techniques etc.. When I’m just loving a garment I’d rather comment on Instagram for example..

    • Hi Kim, i think that sums up isn’t it, that we ( as readers) only add content when we have something to say since commenting is so hard to do this days.

  • Your post really struck a chord with me. I started reading sewing blogs two years ago when I picked sewing back up after many years of dormancy and simultaneously discovered pinterest. There were so many changes in the sewing community! I mean wow! It is a whole new world in sewing. So many young and “cool” people sewing and writing about it for the world to see/judge! I didn’t even really understand the idea of a blog at first…maybe I still don’t. I was/am so behind the times as I participate in almost no social media. I don’t leave many comments beyond an occasional compliment. If i have a question i am much more likely to email that to the blogger directly rather than post it in the comment section. Maybe it is because I don’t blog, but I am not particularly comfortable leaving longer, more involved comments to incite discussion (yet i am moved to do so today) because I don’t feel i have much to add. I tend to treat blogs as magazine articles. I read them silently encouraging, empathizing, sympathizing, (judging) or cheering and then move on to the next one. You bloggers have definitely inspired me to continue the struggle of re-teaching myself to sew and I probably will continue with my passive consumption unless i feel I have something worth adding to the discussion. Thanks for sharing, Rachel! You’re gorgeous!

    -dani e

    • Hi Dani, first let me give you a big virtual hug for all the time you been visiting me and for the love you just sent my way- Thank U. Now lets chat about the topic: you really touched upon on how I think most blogs are consumed today: as magazines. I think that’s mainly how blogs are been written as much as how people want to read about their favourite topics. And there is nothing wrong with that. keep sewing! xx

  • The issue with twitter or facebook is that if you find a blog that is new to you, you don’t get the benefit of the comments. The majority of comments on a blog are supportive or complimentary – as you pointed out – but then there are those that do add value and which would impoverish the blog post if they weren’t elicited. I believe that there is a place for both and believe that all forms of communication build communities of practice. I would hate to see blog comments disappear.

    • Indeed, there is no question that is a place for both however for them to exist people need to act upon them.

  • I think that comments on blog posts will die, because majority of the comments I see on blogs, as you said, do not add any value. Even if someone writes a blog post that can create an interesting constructive discussion in the comments section, it fills up with comments so quickly that as a human being I can’t possibly read all of them and then I think – ‘Oh somebody must have said what I want to say already, so what’s the point in repeating it’. I think it’s our (readers’) fault – most of us are lurkers, we like to read blogs, but commenting would take us out of the shadows of our comfort zone, and even when we do it, we don’t think it would add up to anything. It’s very easy not to challenge yourself when you can’t see the point in doing it.

    • Hi Solveiga, You touched upon a very good point regarding ‘value comments’. If you people feel they are always late to the conversation they are less likely to add to it, meaning that in the future even if there isn’t many comments they are less likely to comment. Thanks for adding your point of view, I haven’t thought of that!

  • There is an entire section of the sewing community that uses very little social media. Even though I use IG, I don’t tweet and nominally use Facebook. Personally I like the interaction more on blogs. You learn more about how the garment was made, can ask and answer questions, even talk amongst yourselves. So I believe there will still be an audience for blogs even when others move onto other more trendy forms of social media.

    • Hi Carolyn, yes, indeed that is no denial that a lot of blog readers don’t use Social media. Than I come back to the value added by the writer. The way they can convey the information allowing readers to join and add value though their comments. That skill is rare and precious.

  • This was a fun conversation on Twitter last night! As a teacher, I’m inclined to think that the quality of discussion depends a lot on the quality of the question asked by the blogger. In the classroom, if a conversation isn’t engaging and doesn’t get kids waving their hands to join in, then I asked a boring question with only one real answer. I think a topic like this gets discussion going because it’s about our personal opinion and experience, with no right or wrong answer. Similarly, posts asking for specific advice, personal anecdotes, or recommendations seem to get lots of good discussion going, perhaps because people feel like they have something to contribute.
    On the other hand… the best blog conversations happen when other readers react to someone’s comment, and the whole thing gets a life of it’s own!

    I do hope blog comments stick around – it’s nice to have those discussions connected to the source material for years to come!

    • Great point Gillian, the writer has to move the reader across the difficult barriers that its comment on a blog today. Busy time, difficult platforms, etc

  • Rachel..
    Such a good post..
    I love blog reading, interacting, and comments..Would hate to have it end.. I feel that we meet and really communicate via our blogs.. Not saying social media is not a good thing.. Just hope that the blog comments keep going..

    • Oh Judy, me too. You have followed me from my first ever post and your opinion matters so much to me.

  • Since I write a lot about vintage fashion history, I get a lot of good information from reader comments on my blog. I really enjoy the conversation. I do get frustrated with apps like Bloglovin’, though, as it’s very difficult to comment on blogs when you’re using them.

  • Hmm. It’s a tricky question. It’s not the same for me, I do not use them for the same reason.
    Social media are more an action – reaction platform, like/dislike, yes/no. Blogs comments are better for a deeper conversation. Blog post are a “story”, they are the product of a real work, not social media post.

    (sorry my english is not perfect but I am sure you understand what I mean)

  • HΓ©lΓ¨ne

    As far as I’m concerned, commenting is just a way to acknowledge good work and sometimes request some details about construction, retail sources, etc. Moreover, I love the fact that comments are usually kind in most sewing blogs. It shows respect for the blogger and her/his work.

    • Hi Helene, I agree that celebrating peoples work is great way of supporting people and that shouldn’t be dismissed. Its such an wonderful feeling.

  • Well, I typed a long and thoughtful comment and the Interwebs ate it. Which may answer one dimension of your question!

    • oh damnnn.

    • Huh! Karen, the same happens to me FAR too often. I think a combo of the apps I use and the fact that I read using my tablet but typing using said tablet is hard work! Don’t think I’d realised till now that my tendency is to use my chosen social media sites over blog comments because it’s so much flippin’ easier!

  • I agree that interaction on social media is more immediate and sometimes easier; however, I think that people like to communicate through different channels, and it’s nice to have options. I think the relevance of a comments section depends a lot on WHY a person blogs. Personally, I blog to share my projects. I’m not trying to teach. I have no desire to monetize. I don’t care if what I’m making is the latest and greatest. And, I’m not interested in being the best or the most popular.

    Still, I like getting affirmation that I’ve done something good from other people who do the same thing. It’s not the same to have my non-sewing and non-knitting friends and family comment about the things that I’ve made. And, I find that it’s easier for me to explore and get to know people through a comments section than it is on Instagram or Twitter. I am far more likely to link to a person’s blog if they repeatedly stop by to chat in the comments than if they like everything I post on Instagram, simply, because, it’s easier to keep track of and link to their website.

    • Hi Michelle, I agree that feeling the love by comments help built confidence by the affirmation of others. I meet wonderful people. Im not taking any merits of comments, I actually love them.

      What I am interested in understanding is why other blogs have now stopped welcoming them.

  • It really depends for me. I love commenting through Disqus because it notifies me when someone has replied to a comment. When commenting in Blogger I’d have to go back to the original post, which is something I just forget so it never happens… Unless I’ve missed something huge of course, in which case, please correct me!

    • Hi Anneke, indeed having a good platform for comments help with interaction. Do you think that will help in the future?

  • A blog without comments is like a cone with no ice-cream. It’s like the fun part is gone. It would be a real shame if it did diminish. Hooray for bloggers and the communities that evolve through them.
    I love checking out your latest makes, ever since I saw your Coco dress with the cool sleeves.
    Hugs, Katie x

  • Reading comments gives us a lot of valuable insight into what our customers want.

    • thats is certainly true and a great way to keep serving customer well.

  • I’m one of the ones that doesn’t use a lot of social media. I don’t have IG, I miss stuff on Twitter all the time and my Facebook is sad. I like commenting on blogs because it is available and there is enough space to say what you want.

    It also amuses me that you see the only compliment thing as a negative. There’s always an uproar when someone does comment “negatively” and by that I mean anything that’s not seen as positive. The sewing community is loving kind and supportive and I do LOVE that ( I love the complements from fellow sewists). But I also think we are shutting the door on constructive criticism when we blog about how hurt we are when someone doesn’t like our creation, or are confused by something we said. I think we may be boxing ourselves in by our responses to what we see as negativity.

    • Hi darling, maybe my writing make my point unclear. I don’t see a blog with only compliments as negative. thanks for sharing so I can clarify. I think the conversation I want to put across is why people think comments are disappearing. is that due to the writer or the listener? both?

      I agree about not shutting the door for criticism. We need to learn to not take everything so serious.

    • I think my Twitter snapshot was the issue, I wanted to illustrate that you cannot have meaningful discussion because it’s hard to illustrate your point with so little space and conversations are staked in a way you cannot see the content of all of it. I try to show how the content of a message gets messed up. I since just removed it because it wasn’t clear.

  • As a summary so far, most of us agree that comments are an important part of a blog but also commenting is hard and its an effort that most people don’t act upon. I think that balancing act is what reflects on why other ‘industries’ have already turned their comments off.

    • Ps: I’m taking these considerations based on twitter feedback since there isn’t a way to keep their voices a record part of this posts.

  • For me, I think social media is good for ‘in-the-moment’ feedback and conversations, but I LOVE comments on posts themselves, especially for sewing/DIY content. The comments where people brainstorm and share spin-off ideas/tips and tricks are there permanently tied to the post. Even if I stumble upon it a year after it was shared, the record is there instead of long buried in a social media feed.

    • I cannot deny how wonderful comments are, so why do you think they are dying? Why most large blogs have them turned off and moved to a different type of engagement?

    • Maybe just a thought, but I wonder if some of the large blogs have disabled blog comments because of negative commenters/spam?

    • Could be. That would just move that type of communication somewhere else.

  • My first thought was: why would anyone want to turn them off? I too think that comments are vital to a blog, for me at least. I think the trend is mostly among big bloggers. I googled and found an interesting post about the pros and cons of turning them off:

    • Fascinating post.

    • i just read that post and i agree that a blog without comments is a magazine article. i can sit on my sofa and read Threads. it seems to me that the point of blogging is to share information as well as show us what’s been produced, and to elicit feedback. that can mean comments that something could have been done differently or even in a better way. no blogger is expected to know everything and the best seamstresses are the ones that are open to learning new things all the time, even from their readers. this conversation is a perfect example of the way a comment section is supposed to work – getting the pros and cons and being able to read everyone’s opinions at the same time and most importantly, being able to voice your own. in my opinion, once a blog eliminates comments, it becomes a newsletter.

      my comment only, of course πŸ˜‰

    • Hi Barbara, thank you for joining. I hope I managed to post both side of the arguments and let the readers take their position in this topic. I found it reading all the comments very interesting. One think I notice is that all the replys and responses I received on social media have focuses on how hard commenting on blogs are , while comments on here focus on how negative is the impac of not having the comment space. I think it show a little bit why it has diminished but with so many strong views on supporting I hope in our community that comments section never dies. Thanks for taking part of this discussion

  • Also I think there are less comments because more and more people are using internet from their phones, when they’re on the go, and a some blogging platforms make it impossible to leave a comment from your phone. Add to this that it’s much easier to reply or like via social media (you’re already logged in). I’m not sure this is all of it – are people less interested in general in engaging with bloggers?

    • I think we consume information differently so there is an aspect of that besides the difficult of using the current commuting platforms.

  • Thank you Jenny for posting this link on Facebook. Very interesting view on this topic.

  • I like to chat on Twitter, but I love blog comments. I can’t tell you how many times someone has sent me a good link, or said something really clever, but I haven’t been able to find it later (curse you, Twitter!). My suspicion is that big blogs are disabling comments because they’re having trouble with trolls or spam. And if sewing blogs are getting fewer comments now, it’s probably because there are so many blogs now! I follow over 300 just with my Bloglovin app, and even more through my WordPress reader! And I’m sure I’m not the only one!

    • Also, because I talk too much, I find it really hard to stay under the 140-character limit on Twitter! Sometimes that makes it harder to keep up a conversation. πŸ™‚

    • thats an interesting view. As there are many of us the attention between each blog can be more segmented and therefore the spread of number of comments diminishing. didn’t thought of that

    • Hi guys- I heard an interesting idea on the While She Naps podcast recently. Abbey was saying she only uses the twitter star/favourite button as a trigger to come back to a cool idea or link she’d like to revisit. Then an app she uses sends her a weekly digest of those favourites so she can peruse at her leisure. I thought that was clever!

    • thats a brilliant idea.

  • I could never disable comments on my blog. It would feel like talking AT people instead of with them. I love getting comments and wish more people would leave a comment – some of my tutorial posts have had thousands of hits and noone has left a thanks message. I would like that πŸ™‚

    • I have similar post like this where there aren’t many acknowledgements but hits are crazy. And comes back to how people consume information today. the article Jenny pointed out and I posted on this page share some light on why. There is no denying things are changing so how much we can keep our environment supportative via comments is mainly due to our attitudes.

  • I noticed that I couldn’t leave a comment on a couple of blogs I looked at but didn’t realise this was a trend. I’m disappointed about that. I like reading blogs and the comments. I post a comment when I feel I have something to say, even if that is just a ‘really like your garment’ or whatever – I often read without commenting if I have nothing significant to say. I can’t do constructive criticism or advice as I don’t have the experience. I follow links often. I’m not keen on the blogs where you have to prove you’re not a robot by typing in a complex word that I can’t even read as they’re at strange angles, funny shapes, colours, blend into each other (easy ones fine). Old eyes, perhaps. I’m rather late to the party. I do have a Facebook account which I use occasionally, Pinterest even less often and Twitter, Instagram not at all. I hope i can continue following (and writing) blogs. I welcome comments to my blog, particularly including (constructive) criticism, advice, links – or just hello. Please keep blogging, Rachel!

    • Hi Anne, indeed its very sad when we want to actually engage with the writers but our voice been taken off. oh i also hate this catchas.. my eyes cannot take it too…

  • I don’t agree that a comment with just a compliment doesn’t add value. I like when I get comments (not very often) because it’s like getting acknowledged. A “hey, I’ve read this and I like it (or disliked)” is good enough because it means that I’m not talking to the void. Just my two cents.

    • It definitely adds value to the writer but not to the measurement of the engagement in general. And not my personal view. Just illustrations on the arguments.Thank you got you 2 cents.

    • i agree, just knowing someone has read your post and has taken the time to comment is something i value massively, even if it is just to say that they like what you have made. completely agree with what you’ve said elena. i think that blogging is a personal thing, and if you’re after engaging conversation and valuable contributions, then cool because that’s what you want to get out of blogging, but if you just want to know that you’re not just talking to the void like elena said, then there’s definitely not anything wrong with leaving a comment to be nice.

    • Thanks Rachel. As blog growths what matters change and thats totally personal to the writer. Thanks for taking part on this debate

  • Also, as it was previously said here, there are many sewing blogs and we tend to read more using our phones. That could explain why there are fewer comments than in earlier times.

    • Yes and buy trying to answer this on my phone is driving me crazy. Thank you for taking part. This conversation been very interesting

  • For me personally, I love comments on my blog – as previous commenters have written, it is nice to know I am not talking to the void LOL. It really makes my day to see comments, in whatever nature they appear πŸ™‚

    It is of course, entirely up to you when it comes to your own blog, but I think it would be a shame to close down your comments section. Part of what makes blogging so valuable (to me) is the interaction with those who read each others’ blogs, and the immediacy of being able to respond to the blog rather than seek out other (i.e. social media) platforms to do so. For me, my time is very limited so I hit my blogroll maybe once every few weeks, and comment as I can, so by the time I see the blog it would make no sense to respond via social media. There is always the consideration as well, that not everyone uses social media, so you may be alienating to some degree, those that don’t πŸ™‚

  • Very interesting convo. I do have a few questions and observations. Don’t we all know that blogs with only ever positive responses are pretty obviously censored by the writer? I know there are many that do this, for a fact, particularly if they are highly monetized or trying to sell either a pattern or book. So for me the existence of positive response only blogs is a false one, IMO.

    Personally, I like the give and take of all sorts of responses. I feel it makes a blog interesting and worth reading. It also shows the confidence and skills of the blogger, that is, being able to maneuver through comments that aren’t all rainbows and lollipops., And, there is often much we can all learn from these non idolizing comments.

    The next question I have is who are the comment police that will tell me to take my comments down? and why would they? What is their vested interest in my blog and it’s responders?

    I really don’t think this will happen other than for those bloggers who are not content with the potential for criticism of their blog. Social media will never have the depth of conversation that can happen on a blog and if I see anything being limited it would be that. Just this week I spoke with two people very active on the web. One is an owner of a successful computer business, millionaire at 25 type. Both of these two people told me this week that they totally cut all ties with Facebook and other social media. They just didn’t find it relevant to their lives any more and more of an intrusion. One recently became a parent and did not want to put himself out there in any way because of that. I totally get that. But it really came as a shock to me. I think the question isn’t will blog comments end but more will people just get tired of being totally out there on social media. It does have it’s downside.

    Thanks for letting us all talk about this, Rachel, and it’s a great topic to discuss.

    • Bunny, what an interesting point of view. As we have so much information all around, turning off from using Sm is also a trend I have observed ( and tried to practice with failure)
      You made me laugh on the comment police!

  • Personally I disagree with the statement that short, complementary comments don’t add value – I think that any kind of comment on a blog adds value, as long as it’s not mean spirited. Even if a comment simply says ‘I love your dress’ – although if it’s not starting a conversation as such, it is offering support, encouragement and friendship to another person. To me, that’s huge, especially in an activity like sewing, which is a largely solitary hobby. It’s just nice to know that there are other people out there who’ve got your back, and that they took the time to say something nice.

    • Hi Bellbird, that you so much for sharing your opinion and adding to this debate.

  • Well, I love reading your sewing blogs and others. I do not tweet or post on Facebook so I would really miss blogs in which readers could not comment. It reminds me of the old saying “What happens if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it” or however that saying goes. How would a blogger know if anyone was reading if comments were disabled except for the tweets and Facebook comments? I am probably older than many of your readers but many of my friends also do not tweet or use Facebook. Some of us would be left out. I think that your posts are well-thought out and thought-provoking. Thank you for your balanced post on this topic.

    • Hi Kathleen, thank you for taking the time to comment. I don’t know that saying but i think i got the meaning. xx

  • Anonymous

    I don’t comment on blogs because not having a blog and not being up on many computer trends i am sometimes wanting to comment but find because of my lack of computer skills some blogs make it very hard to comment i like reading the comments and after reading all the comments here i will try and get over my fear and comment even if only to say i like what you wrote or made thank you for your blog

  • Interesting discussion, Rachel. Personally, from a blogger’s perspective, I do hope we continue to have people commenting on blogs. I’ve certainly noticed a trend towards less comments. Funnily enough, I sometimes get more comments on posts which don’t receive a lot of traffic and the reverse, next to no comments on very popular posts. Roundup posts are an example of popular posts with few comments. In reality, there’s little that can be said on those posts other than great roundup or I love the xyz.

    I prefer to leave comments on a blog post, rather than social media. The comments remain in sequence and in time to come, can be read as a whole, whereas on social media, things become disjointed. Blogs are where the substance is.

    I do find that people who don’t have blogs tend to use social media as opposed to leaving a blog comment. One reason would be the lack of an account to sign in with or preferring the familiarity of a known platform.

    Who knows what the future holds, but I’ll be keeping my comments open. Thanks for posting.

  • Anonymous

    As a reader of many blogs with no blog of my own, I am leery of leaving comments or asking questions because if the writer does not state what they expect/want/allow in their comment section I don’t know what the outcome will be. Will I get an answer to a question, will I be blocked, will I come across in a way that others commenting will not like (“darn troll”) and be attacked by other commenters, will/has the blogger complained about to many “not relevant” or “Good job comments waste my time” comments. I have “read”/seen all of these thing happen on various blogs. I realize that by writing a blog you put yourself out to others but you also do when you are commenting and it can be dicey either way. I prefer to use blogging because everything is one place (photos, info, comments). I will not likely go “fishing” for other information crossing over into other media. I hope that comments stay open because I think it contributes to the post content, I also think the writer of the blog should state what they are expecting and will allow from their commenters (are questions allowed, not respond to each other negatively, critique is not welcome, etc.) and of course commenters need to respect those boundaries. It is a difficult line and I have seen both blogger and commenter cross the line but hopefully it does not happen often. Maybe a “hybrid” solution is the answer, ie. a “like/thanks for posting” button so at least you would know if your readers liked your post content leaving the comments for other comments, questions or links.